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4. I agreed that the Director should be asked to speak a
little more fully and clearly on whether we "target against American
citizens" so that there is no ambiguity.

5. I told the group that we must expect all kinds of irrespon-
sible accusations in the press, such as the one in the January 1972
issue of RAMPARTS magazine in which Bob Kiley and Drex Godfrey,
it is suggested, are still in the employ of CIA working on a CIA
plan to improve police organizations in this country. I said that this
was palpably false as anyone who knows Kiley and Godfrey would
understand. The group mentioned Dick Ober's unit and said that
there was a lot of scuttlebutt that the purpose of this unit was to keep
book on Black Power adherents. I denied this saying that our interest
was as I had explained it previously.

6. I do not know whether this is a fair assumption, but
Dick Ober's machine program is not handled in the Clandestine Service
and it is possible that someone is misreading and misinterpreting the
intent of Ober's program from fragmentary bits and pieces that may
be discernible from the handling of the machine program. I do not
state this as a fact because I have not examined it that closely.

7. I told the group that I had offered to enlighten it candidly
on what we do so that they would at least have the facts and I said
that I assume you would take it from here.

[Signature]
Thomas H. Karamessines
Deputy Director for Plans

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